RFC Karma Request

php.internals

Unnamed Person

10 years ago
Hello, I would like to submit an RFC for adding a str_begins and str_ends function, in relation to https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67035 and https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50434. I've added those functions on my local PHP copy. I would like to make an RFC and a PR for adding it to the core PHP copy. Thanks, Will

David Rodrigues

10 years ago
Questions: 1. Have you talked with this list about the terms of you suggestions? (like str_begins, str_starts, strstarts, strbegins, str_ends, strends...) Is yes, sorry, I do not received this topic before. 2. There some valid performance advantage over strpos()? 3. And about the "market" for this new function? I mean, about users really need a new function like it on core. 4. And about the case sensitiblity? Should have some function like stribegins() or will be an argument? In general, I like this implementation, but I like to know about you in this questions. I don't know the policy about implements new functions on "str namespace". Thanks! 2016-07-26 15:41 GMT-03:00 <will@wkhudgins.info>:
> Hello, > > I would like to submit an RFC for adding a str_begins and str_ends function, > in relation to https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67035 and > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50434. I've added those functions on my > local PHP copy. I would like to make an RFC and a PR for adding it to the > core PHP copy. > > Thanks, > > Will > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >
-- David Rodrigues

Unnamed Person

10 years ago
Thanks for replying David. Thanks for the questions, its good to elaborate on things some. I'll address each question here: 1. No, I guess this is my first time reaching out to the community. I had gone with str_begins and str_ends because it fit some of the current naming approaches. I could see an argument for strstarts/strends, strbegins/strends, or startsWith/endsWith. I'm flexible with the exact naming. 2. I don't think performance-wise it would be a big improvement over using strpos, preg_match, or substr. However, I think it might be an improvement readability-wise. Right now people either use somewhat confusing code, like strpos or substr, or they implement their own user-defined str_starts function. I think the benefit in terms of readability and usability justifies the addition of two new functions to the namespace. 3. This functionality is doable with the current implementation. However, part of the goal of languages or tools is to make it easy to do common, routine tasks. Python, Java, Ruby, C# and JavaScript all provide this functionality. So I am sure people would find it useful in PHP. 4. Right now, the way I have it implemented, it is case-sensitive. If people wanted, it could be implemented to take an optional boolean parameter called case_sensitive which defaults to true. I could make that change pretty easily, if I did that the function headers would be: boolean str_starts (string $str , str $search_value [, bool $case_sensitive = true ] ) boolean str_ends (string $str , str $search_value [, bool $case_sensitive = true ] ) I like the idea of doing that instead of having separate, case-insensitive, functions because it helps keep the name space less cluttered. I hope this has provided some helpful information. Please get back with me with your thoughts. Thanks, Will On 2016-07-26 16:09, David Rodrigues wrote:

Davey

10 years ago
Will, Now that we have generalized support for negative string offsets you can now just do: $string = "/foo/bar/bat/"; if ($string[0] === "/") { // fully-qualified path } if ($string[-1] === "/") { // trailing "/" } This avoids the overhead of a function call, arguably is as expressive, and a lot more functional (e.g. offset -2). - Davey On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM, <will@wkhudgins.info> wrote:

Unnamed Person

10 years ago
Davey, Thanks for joining the conversation! That code snippet is very elegant, and it is a superb way of checking if a string starts with or ends with a specific character. However, it does not check if a string starts with or ends with a specific string, containing multiple characters. True str_begins and str_ends would do check if a string begins or ends with a string of n characters. Regards, -Will On 2016-07-26 19:39, Davey Shafik wrote:

Davey

10 years ago
Ah, I missed that. If we had ranges (e.g. $string[0..4] or $string[-1..4]) that'd work, but we don't. Now I see some value in the function, though still perhaps not enough to justify above and beyond strpos etc. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM, <will@wkhudgins.info> wrote:

Christoph Becker

10 years ago
On 27.07.2016 at 02:55, Davey Shafik wrote:
> Ah, I missed that. If we had ranges (e.g. $string[0..4] or $string[-1..4]) > that'd work, but we don't.
However, that still would require something like $str[0..mb_strlen($needle)-1] == $needle
> Now I see some value in the function, though still perhaps not enough to > justify above and beyond strpos etc.
One advantage of the new functions over userland implementations would be efficiency. A strpos() would still require to search the whole string if the $needle is not found. substr() and string slices would require a copy unless that would be optimized, if a general optimization is possible at all. Not sure, if I like to see yet two more string functions in the global namespace, though.
-- Christoph M. Becker

Michał Brzuchalski

10 years ago
2016-07-27 12:24 GMT+02:00 Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>:
> On 27.07.2016 at 02:55, Davey Shafik wrote: > > > Ah, I missed that. If we had ranges (e.g. $string[0..4] or > $string[-1..4]) > > that'd work, but we don't. > > However, that still would require something like > > $str[0..mb_strlen($needle)-1] == $needle >
I've been working on range operator some time ago and had problem with double-dot ".." as an operator because of conflict with concat operator. 0..5 could be 0. . 5, or 0 . .5 white spaces are problem here, unfortunately dot is concat operator and decimal separator.
> > > Now I see some value in the function, though still perhaps not enough to > > justify above and beyond strpos etc. > > One advantage of the new functions over userland implementations would > be efficiency. A strpos() would still require to search the whole > string if the $needle is not found. substr() and string slices would > require a copy unless that would be optimized, if a general optimization > is possible at all. > > Not sure, if I like to see yet two more string functions in the global > namespace, though. > > -- > Christoph M. Becker > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
-- pozdrawiam -- Michał Brzuchalski

Christoph Becker

10 years ago
On 27.07.2016 at 13:53, Michał Brzuchalski:
> 2016-07-27 12:24 GMT+02:00 Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>: > >> However, that still would require something like >> >> $str[0..mb_strlen($needle)-1] == $needle > > I've been working on range operator some time ago and had problem with > double-dot ".." as an operator because of conflict with concat operator. > 0..5 could be 0. . 5, or 0 . .5 white spaces are problem here, > unfortunately dot is concat operator and decimal separator.
Well, there's a similar issue with `- -$n` vs. `--$n` anyway, but of course we could use something else than `..` (`:` comes to mind; not sure if that would work).
-- Christoph M. Becker

Ferenc Kovacs

10 years ago
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:41 PM, <will@wkhudgins.info> wrote:
> Hello, > > I would like to submit an RFC for adding a str_begins and str_ends > function, in relation to https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67035 and > https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50434. I've added those functions on my > local PHP copy. I would like to make an RFC and a PR for adding it to the > core PHP copy. > > Thanks, > > Will > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
hi, I've just granted you rfc karma on the wiki.
-- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu