RE: Proposal: Array syntax

php.internals

Ford, Mike [LSS]

22 years ago
On 05 November 2003 17:19, Marco Tabini wrote:
> Ford, Mike [LSS] wrote: > > On 05 November 2003 17:06, Marco Tabini contributed these pearls of > > wisdom: > > > > > > > Christian Schneider wrote: > > > > > > > Marco Tabini wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > $a = [[1,2,3],[1=>[1,3,2,2], "a"=>[[1,2,3,4],4,[1,2]]]; > > > > > > > > > > > > $a = array(array(1,2,3),array(1=>array(1,3,2,2), > > > > "a"=>array(array(1,2,3,4),4,array(1,2))); > > > > > > > > > > Besides my previous points, something even more abominable: > > > > > > $a = [1,2,$b[11]]; > > > > > > Is that confusing enough for you? ;-) > > > > > > What's confusing about it? > > > > The fact that $b[11] references an item of an array, while > [1,2,$b[11]] assigns values to the array $a.
That's not confusing -- at least no more so than the different meanings of - in $b = -$a and $b = $c - $a.
> The fact that you (and, > probably, most of us) can't tell right off the bat
Bzzt! Wrong! It was because I *could* tell right off the bat exactly what it meant that I asked why it was confusing.
> is a clear sign > that this is a bad idea, because it's ambiguous and confusing.
And again, wrong assumption -- I asked what's confusing because to me it looks completely unambiguous and totally clear.
> The same line using the current syntax, btw, would have looked like > this: > > $a = array (1,3,$b[11]);
Well, I can see true enough that that has the same meaning, but for me it's harder to read and interpret. I see the () first and start assuming it's a function, before my eyes and brain have time to digest that the name of the "function" is array -- result: a moment's confusion whilst I deal with the ambiguity of using function syntax for a language construct. With the [] syntax, I see the square brackets and they immediately shout ARRAY CONSTRUCTOR at me -- result: instant understanding and I'm on to the next line of code in a flash. Cheers! Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Ford, Electronic Information Services Adviser, Learning Support Services, Learning & Information Services, JG125, James Graham Building, Leeds Metropolitan University, Beckett Park, LEEDS, LS6 3QS, United Kingdom Email: m.ford@lmu.ac.uk Tel: +44 113 283 2600 extn 4730 Fax: +44 113 283 3211

Sascha Schumann

22 years ago
Please move this thread to private email. - Sascha

Andi Gutmans

22 years ago
Sascha, I don't think it's a private matter. Feel free to delete the emails with this subject when they come in. Andi At 01:30 PM 11/6/2003 +0100, Sascha Schumann wrote:

Sascha Schumann

22 years ago
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Sascha, > > I don't think it's a private matter.
If there was anything constructive in that long thread of "I like it" -- "no, I don't!" I might agree with you, but given the current contents, the noise exceeds the useful debate by far. - Sascha