hi all,
I wanted to forward this message along, and also ask some questions:
-Are there any plans to support packages / modules properly? (ala python,
which looks very nice, or I suppose java, etc).
-Are there plans to restore support for namespaces? The current PEAR method
of naming classes is the only sensible one given the engine's capabilities,
but we (and I would imagine they too) find it to be extremely ugly and
inelegant - something forced on us by the missing features in PHP5.
I would like to see full hierarchical namespace support.
-Has anyone thought of including a unitTest framework in pecl, so unit tests
could be tightly integrated with the engine?
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Of course all this complaining is because we see the engine has become quite
seriously capable when compared to PHP4 - it's a HUGE leap - but we need
juuuuuuust a little more to really compete with the biggies.
I think PHP, with version 5 - has the potential to be a "major" language -
but it needs just a bit more of a gentle push to get there. I think those
features would do it.
I love python's system of modules: incredibly easy to use and explain, it
works well, and it provides a clear method for structuring code. Something
similar in PHP is welcome, and I trust the PEAR people to help set
guidelines. Of course we would like to contribute to that process as well,
if it happens.
The message:
> yeah, welcome to the gradual let-down that has been the history of PHP5.
> But seriously ... one thing after another was pulled from the language
> since it was hard to get it working properly. loss of namespaces, magic
> __toString() was made unmagical, recently optional typehinted parameters
> were removed ...
>
> namespaces would have been a *huge* benefit to PHP. pobably almost as
> huge as exceptions. IMO the pear prefix solution is pretty dumb; if
> prefixing makes sense (and it often does), then I think having a unique
> name (like BC_ for Binarycloud) is a lot more reasonable than
> PHP_Framework_Binarycloud_Init, which is what PEAR does (makes the
> category part of the class names).
>
> I sure hope that namespaces gets reconsidered for 5.1 (which is supposed
> to follow 5.0 fairly quickly, as there are many features now that are
> being postponed due to feature freeze). things like lack of namespace
> support makes me look increasingly at Mono/ASP.NET for building big OO web
> applications.
<ouch>
_alex
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