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Marcus Börger

19 years ago

Hello Dmitry, all,

thanks for the namespaces.

My only concern is that you took a package model and named it namespaces.
Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?

Best regards,
Marcus

Stanislav Malyshev

19 years ago

>   My only concern is that you took a package model and named it namespaces.
> Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?

Actually, it's neither, but it's more like namespaces than packages
IMHO. Though both terms are used in different languages in the roughly
same sense.

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Marcus Börger

19 years ago

Hello Stanislav,

I use a broad variety of languages. And the older ones like C++ and Java
are pretty distinctive. Namespaces have a dedicated range or space declared
by curly braces and can contain other namespaces. Whileas Java packages are
file wide. And actually that is much easier and quite what we want. We want
this connection from a file to a namespace erm making a file giving a name
prefix automatically. We do not want the confusion namespaces in the C++
sense can bring. So yes I like the implementation Dmitry did a lot - it just
seems wrong to me calling them namespaces purely because we called them that
prior to 5.0 release and becasue we always called them so in discussions.
But the implementation is also quite different from anything we discussed
outside of the paris meeting. That's all from my side.

marcus

Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 2:04:07 AM, you wrote:

>>   My only concern is that you took a package model and named it namespaces.
>> Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?

> Actually, it's neither, but it's more like namespaces than packages
> IMHO. Though both terms are used in different languages in the roughly
> same sense.

Best regards,
Marcus

Dmitry Stogov

19 years ago

Different languages have different 'package' model too.
For example Java, Ada and Python have packages, but they are too different.
BTW PHP's implementation is similar to Java packages and may be you are
right about renaming.

Thanks. Dmitry.

Sebastian Bergmann

19 years ago

Marcus Boerger wrote:

> Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?

I second that (e)motion. The current implementation of namespaces in PHP
is so close to Java's packages that naming it packages makes (more)
sense to me.

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Richard Lynch

19 years ago

On Wed, July 25, 2007 2:34 am, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:

> Marcus Boerger wrote:
>> Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?
>
>  I second that (e)motion. The current implementation of namespaces in
> PHP
>  is so close to Java's packages that naming it packages makes (more)
>  sense to me.

It does smell more like a package to this user...

Though I'm more familiar with Modula-2 and [mumble] from 20 years ago
the last time I tried to use packages.

Oh, and Lisp and Lisp-derivatives, but I'm not sure that even applies
for comparison purposes.

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Cristian Rodriguez

19 years ago

On 7/25/07, Sebastian Bergmann <sb@sebastian-bergmann.de> wrote:

> Marcus Boerger wrote:
> > Can we change the keyword from 'namespace' to 'package'?
>
>  I second that (e)motion. The current implementation of namespaces in PHP
>  is so close to Java's packages that naming it packages makes (more)
>  sense to me.

Yes, that makes more sense ;-) +1